Part One - The Challenges of Rewrites
If you had a memorable experience doing something in the past, then why not go ahead and repeat it?
This was the rationale behind D. L. Lewellyn and I meeting again this month over a considerable exchange of emails, throwing questions and answers at each other and conversing - just like old times. The result is this new two-way interview.
One difference is, our conversation from last year was hefty, bursting at the seams with tasty bits about our writer's lives, about the writing craft, and about how we reach out to potential readers... This year's is even crunchier, and longer.
There's always more to say, so we decided to split our conversation into four parts. This is now officially a miniseries!
This, today, is Part One. It is the most sizeable part. (Parts Two, Three and Four are somewhat shorter.)
We are releasing it simultaneously, on both our websites.
D. L. Lewellyn. I took a month off in August for family obligations, but I really missed chatting with a fellow author on my blog. What better way to get back to it than catching up with a good friend? Nicolas visited my Spotlight in 2023 where we engaged in a two-way interview that was super fun. This year, we will do the same while we catch up on all the things that have gone on in our indie authors’ lives since. You can find the other side of our discussion on Nicolas’s website. I’m betting you’ll pick up a few writing processes, techniques, and experiences you can relate to and take away as you head off to your keyboards or notebooks!
How has your summer been Nicolas?
Nicolas Lemieux. Funny you'd say you took a break in August, Darci because I did exactly the same! The break was necessary, and it felt good to lessen the inevitable pressures of life, but I missed the opportunity to exchange ideas about our writing as well. But now that my body and mind have refreshed a bit, and my head is full of ideas again, I feel ready to go back to my creative projects. This conversation is one such project, and so I am super excited to catch up with so many things that have happened in both our creative lives since our last conversation. Let's tackle those big questions!
Let’s Meet The Authors
D. L. Lewellyn
D. L. Lewellyn is an independent author writing fantasy romance every chance she gets. A passion for writing took her by surprise in 2021 following a summer of voracious pandemic-induced reading in a new favorite genre, paranormal romance.
Her latest publication is on Presale! Les Romances des Trois features three enchanting MMF romance novellas and a bonus adult fairy tale.
Besides self-publishing her novels, her stories have found homes in anthology publications, and many more are in the works. Ask anyone who knows her, and they'll tell you she's a dedicated multi-crafter.
She also enjoys blogging, chatting with authors and other creators on her monthly Sunday Spotlight, and classic cinema nights with her husband, dogs, and a big bowl of popcorn.
Nicolas Lemieux
Nicolas Lemieux lives in Montreal with his wife Marie-Claude, in a third-storey apartment overlooking an interesting, green back-alley. Although French is his first language, he primarily writes in English.
His chosen genre is science fiction. Nicolas says, “I get my kicks out of dreaming up astonishing worlds packed with a sharp palette of badass, quirky characters who get tangled up in all manners of meaningful trouble.
Often funny, sometimes disquieting, always exciting. I believe each time you dive into a good book, you come out better off at the other end because you've gained a new, flaring spark that will stick with you until the end of times, helping you fend off the pits and falls that might have consumed you otherwise.”
Nicolas invites you to… “Be a badass reader! Read my free story today: CRADLE."
Let's Get Started
Rewrites and Burnout
DLL. I’m so excited to look back at our highlights and learning experiences, Nicolas! There are so many fantastic topics. Let’s start with what we’ve learned about engaging in the rewrite process. Both of us have been working on epic novels since our last discussion. I truly felt like it was a miracle and something to celebrate when I finally launched the third book in my three-part paranormal romance series this February. You’re writing an epic space opera, Seven Drifts.
We talked about the ways you’ve rethought parts of your structure and what elements to focus more attention on, your character’s voices, all things that speak to us more powerfully during the rewriting process after having become intimate with every aspect of our story. I lost count of how many rewrites I did for Tigris Vetus, and the final version is starkly different from the first draft at the beginning of my writing journey before I even finished the first book in the series, Ursus Borealis. I would say it’s not even close to the same novel it was in its infancy.
I read recently that rewriting multiple drafts is a necessary part of the process, love it or hate it. Writers Write shared this thoughtful list of the pros and cons in its blog, Why You Should Love Doing Rewrites.
Gotham Writers shared these awesome and amusing insights in The 10 Revision Stages of a Novel (we definitely need humor as we stare down the barrel of this daunting phase of writing - Writers Write shared the meme).
Nicolas, can you tell us where you’re at in the process and your takeaways? What or who has kept you going and motivated you to fine-tune your story? What has been your favorite part of the process and your least favorite?
NL. Thanks for sharing these great articles on rewrites! It’s very interesting to see new ways we can reframe how we view those long, repeated rewrites. Of course, we have to find ways to make our writing journey a pleasurable experience. I like to tell myself it’s very much about the journey, not only the destination. It takes both, and I enjoy the journey, it would seem to make sense that the reader is more likely to enjoy reading the result.
How My Summer Was
Let's see… What happened since the last time we did this?
Over the fall and winter, I took some distance from social media and my platform in general in order to really focus on finishing my second full draft of Seven Drifts. Long story short, (but really, it's long), this was the n-th version of the story, but only the second actual full draft, a full rewrite from the top.
It took way longer than I could ever have anticipated. But it felt good. Many parts of it felt very good. The deeper and the farther I went, and the closer to the end I got, the better it got. To sum it up, I really love that last part of the story and its ending that took me so many months to complete. I really feel like my writing was getting better and better as I went, and the story along with it as all its elements gradually converged and found their explanations, payoffs, and conclusions.
All in all, completing that full rewrite of Seven Drifts felt like a whole adventure in itself. I am proud of it, just for the sake of having done it, and I am super proud of the result. I can only marvel: How did it happen? Here I am, with this great story on my hands. Wow.
It's not over, though, and far from it. Firstly, the story isn't over. It has sequels lining up in my mind's buffer - and with some substantial drafts already in my drawers. I can't wait to turn my awareness to them.
But it's not over yet either, in the sense that this one story, Seven Drifts, still requires a lot of attention on my part. It won't be finished for quite a bit of time.
So here's what I turned my attention to since reaching the glorious end of this draft...
Globally, the story seems a bit unbalanced, if you look at the word count for each of its parts. The last part - third act or ending payoff - turned out to be over 99K words. Wow. That's longer than the average novel. While drafting, I chose not to obsess about the length of the scenes or their number. All I focussed on was taking the story to a point where it did make the active, exciting sense that it now does. I'm not bragging, I'm just talking from my heart. I really think it is that good, at least to my taste, as was my whole objective when I started on the project some years ago: to write a story I'd like to read. Check.
But wait, there's still A LOT left to do. Some major challenges in fact.
How to balance the relative lengths of the first, second, and third acts?
From the moment I reached "The End", there was a list of actions in my mind, all with the potential to help balance the story. I wasn't even thinking yet about shortening my scenes or cutting stuff out. There will be a time for that.
While drafting, I came up with new ideas. Or solutions to problems I discovered along the way or answers to questions I hadn't yet elucidated. I took notes. Things to change here and there (and also here, and here, and this whole section, and this scene, and this character motivation, etc.). I took many notes actually. Also, I saw things that could benefit the story if I moved them around a bit. A whole section that was in the second part, I'm now moving to the first part. Another section that was before the midpoint, I'm going to use closer to the end of the second act. And so on.
And then, there are a lot of world-building elements that I allowed to stay fuzzy and loose on purpose during the draft, with a clear intention to come back to them after the story existed in its entirety, to flesh out more and use in a way that makes the story clearer and better.
There are also many places where I exposed some elements of the world or bits of backstory in a way that was redundant, just for the sake of clarity as I drafted. I'll want some of these elements to drip on the story from earlier on, and I'll want to make sure their exposition is well balanced; something that cannot be done, in my view, until the full story is written and I can see better; and know what goes where in the best way possible. Generally, it's the first part - Act 1, or the Beginning Hook - that requires the most refactoring to start with.
So this is what I've been doing all winter and summer, ever since finishing that long, full rewrite of the story.
Burned Out
Another challenge is that along the way, I came to grasp just how exhausted I actually was - and am.
I took two weeks off this summer. One in July, another at the beginning of September - Off, even from my big writing project. This is unusual for me. I usually double down on writing whenever I can take time off from my work in IT.
Not this time though. I just couldn't. Especially at the end of the summer, in August, it REALLY felt like I had to take that break. Actually, up to my week's vacation in the first week of September, I stopped working on Seven Drifts for about a whole month. It was the first time I did that in more than 10 years.
I can cite many objective reasons for my exhaustion. Finding myself suddenly alone back in 2019 in my IT position - in my role as a DBA (Database Administrator). Then the pandemic. Then changing roles back in 2021, from DBA to sysadmin/DevOps (that's another demanding IT position, exciting but also exhausting, with lots of steep, unending learning involved, and quite some stressful responsibilities). Also, general anxiety has been building up in me over the last few years. A lot of it was around my parent's health, my wife's and my own, and around my self-confidence in this IT work...
And also, my self-confidence in regard to my writing endeavors. As my project took more and more time, more than I would have thought, more than anyone around me would have thought... Today, I appreciate the fact that I won't back down from being honest and open about this. That's a huge positive in my book; a brand new way of thinking and being. It’s a brand new key to being more creative, productive, and happy in my whole life in general... But more about this later!
In short, I needed that break! I needed to be out of town for a few days, go sailing on my brother’s boat over the St. Lawrence River, swim in a lake, watch the lake, read, and basically just do nothing for a while... around some water.
… But I still managed to do a lot of exciting, constructive things over the summer.
What else I did this Summer
One upside to a slow writing summer was that I used the opportunity to revive my platform somewhat, to refresh my website and fix all kinds of little details about it, and to make its design incrementally better although I don't have a clear plan for it.
Actually, I posted A LOT! I explored more personal content in my newsletter and over social media in general, as a practice in taking more space in the world, and I feel good about it. (I'll tell you more about this later. Watch out for my bit about Simone Seol’s Garbage Post Challenge).
So I am now a little prouder of my platform overall, and much less self-conscious about what I post, write, and what bits of myself I show to the world. Plus, I discovered I like wearing hats.
I did another Writing Battle. Fun times! (More on it below of course.)
I got myself printed copies of your trilogy The Starlight Chronicles - I even got a signed copy of Drago Incendium! I'm diving into Ursus Borealis as we speak, and loving it…
Simone Grace Seol
One big highlight of my 2024 spring and summer was getting familiar with the work of Simone Grace Seol.
I was captivated as soon as I stumbled on her Instagram content, and I soon followed up to listen to her new podcast, called My Notes, and to her other, older podcast, I Am Your Korean Mom. I missed her May class by a hair, Writing With The Sword, but I did enroll in her online courses Cold Pitch Magic and How to Write Specific Copy. I’m now following her free course, The Simone Starter Pack: Marketing Essentials.
It may sound like it’s all about marketing, and it is… but it’s really not. In different words, you might want to say that everything in life is a kind of marketing, to a certain degree. Or better yet, just replace the word “marketing” with “expression”, or “creativity”, or “writing”... and there you have it. It’s the true essence of Simone Grace Seol’s work and philosophy.
This is life-changing stuff, you guys! Mind-bending. Me, I can't get enough of it. It makes me hopeful, energized, self-loving, confident, free, bursting with ideas.
What she says is universal. Her advice and thoughts can be applied to ANYTHING - any kind of endeavor, really. They certainly apply to any kind of writing, and not only to copywriting. As I said, this is far from being all and only about marketing.
Because it's not about the specific, technical details. I already have plenty of wonderful, plentiful, awesome, helpful mentors for those.
She’s made millions (no sh*t!) talking about doing your thing and feeling good about it. Imagine: Writing. Freely. Making your work known. Easily. Living. Lovingly. All the while, with everything in you aligned with your own truth and your own values. No BS. From your inner truth and whatever you do with it, to how you show up to do your work, to how you speak about it to others and present it and make it known to the world.
Simone Seol does away with so many received ideas and practices! She will help you take the ick out of the act of writing, by saying things like, and I quote...
- “Enjoy the people you're writing to.“
- “Consistency is a product of dopamine.“
- “Writing (copywriting) is all about safety.“
- “Good writing doesn’t widen. It narrows. It’s an extreme zooming in of the imagination.“
- “Nobody has their shit together.“
- “Is your writing (copy) broadcasting fear?“
- “What if you have multiple passions?“
- “People want to fall in love with someone like you.“
- “How to create ethical urgency.“
- “Experts are obsessed with knowing, and knowledge. They want to give you their knowledge. They’re the ones who are the most afraid of not knowing.“
- “It breaks my heart because we are bypassing these great opportunities to learn and to connect when we wait until we know things.“
Aren’t you thrilled yet? Check her out!
The Garbage Post Challenge
You’ll learn all about it from these two episodes from Simone Grace Seol’s podcast: Garbage Post Challenge and Do The Garbage Post Challenge.
Here’s my personal understanding and experience of the GPC:
It’s SO simple. All you have to do is post one hundred times over a period of 30 days.
That's it.
Minimum Word Count per post: 2
Maximum: whatever you like
Platform: whatever floats your boat. It can be social media, your newsletter, commenting on someone else’s posts, etc.
(Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be!)
It's not even about widening your audience, or growing it, or even building your email list. It's not about selling stuff in any way. It's not about showing off or converting anything or anyone into anything or anyone or compelling anybody into doing anything.
No.
It's a practice. A simple one. It's about learning to take up space in the world and getting comfortable with it. It's about claiming your right to exist, and to speak up, and to show yourself as you are, and to create whatever you want, or to just say two words or whatever, freely, whenever we feel like it. It's about discovering how easy it is to take up space in the world, and accessible, and how many possibilities we have at our fingertips, all the time, all around us, inside and out.
It's about learning to trust that we have a voice. It's about slaying our perfectionism and speaking up, or just sharing who we are to the world despite it. It's about daring to exist, even in the eyes of our imagined critics and detractors and frenemies. It's about realizing it doesn't matter at all if we made a typo or a mistake; if we said something that reads weird or sounds weird or something we don't even agree with. We can always correct, replace, readjust, say more, contradict… or just let things drown under piles of other things we put out. It's about understanding that people don't care as much as we thought, that we’re freer than we thought, and above all, that people will adjust to seeing more of us. They'll come to rely on us being there, with more pixels on their screens. They'll love what they love, and they'll just ignore whatever doesn’t resonate with them.
Most of the people from whom we fear judgment or remarks won't even notice what we put out. But the ones who are more like us, the ones who share our tastes and thoughts, who vibe just like us or aspire to, the only ones that really count in the end, will enjoy and like and follow, and then they'll always be on the lookout for more from us, no strings attached, whether we post three times a day or three times a week, or per month.
When we realize how much fun this can be, we’ll want to keep it up to a degree that we’ll choose ourselves and for ourselves, and it will help us build, slowly and gradually, but surely, many long-lasting relationships.
Over time, something is bound to happen. Some people will subscribe to our email lists, read our work, buy our books and other content we put out, and whatever big and small offers we craft for them. Some will talk about our work to their friends. Whatever we build, however slowly it seems to start, if we keep at it over the long run, it will snowball over time, and gather momentum. That's a platform, our platform, at our disposal.
But that's not even the best part of it.
In the process, we make friends. We’re called to have fun on collaborative projects. We’re fed more ideas. Presented with an infinite array of doors and avenues to explore at our own leisure.
Sounds exciting?
I see I got a little carried away. Did I digress? I hope it was worth it!
What I ended up posting as "garbage posts"
Photos of my walks around the neighbourhood: flowers, little surprises, selfies. Sharing great blog posts from other writers and introducing them in a few words, or saying what I like about what they write. Telling people I appreciate what they do and why. Showing bits of my writing. (Like on Instagram: here, here, here, here and here.) Talking about aspects of my story, like here.
Anything goes really. Two words minimum. It's nothing. One image of a colourful bunch of flowers, and then "Hey, hi!" - That counts as a post, because it is really me, taking up space, existing online by just showing up with something nice. And why not improvise a quick poem, or a snippet of prose, just for the Heck of it? Or revisit topics I’ve barely brushed in the past; expand on them, one at a time. That’s a considerable source of ideas, right there!
I want to take more notes of my everyday thoughts and ideas, big and little, and most importantly, questions. I think questions are generally more interesting than answers; they are doors to countless new avenues to explore later. I’ll keep doing Julia Cameron's Morning Pages, even if not every day. You'd be surprised how many ideas get caught on these pages.
And then, it's just a matter of taking a few minutes here and there. Post. Reel. Story. Share. Buffer to the socials. Often, these little posts can make great newsletters that I can turn into great blog posts. And then I can post about them again. Simple. Lean. Quick... Repeat!
If you look at your social media, you may be doing the Garbage Post Challenge already: Three posts per day on average, plus ten more, all over the course of 30 days. No big deal. Easy and fun. You can post fifteen times one day, and then do nothing for a while. It’s entirely up to you.
And don’t forget. Embrace imperfection. Eff perfectionism!
DLL. Thank you so much for sharing these amazing summer journeys, Nicolas. I know folks will want to check out Simone Grace Seol. It’s so awesome to hear your enthusiasm and energy. You were already so generous with your time and support before you engaged in this learning and growth experience. It’s super encouraging to see how you’ve coped with burnout. I know I’ve been enjoying your revamped content and benefiting from all your shares and the joy that comes with it. We’ll talk more about outreach, newsletters, and Writing Battle contests in the next three parts… And let me tell you again how much it made my summer when I found you’d purchased my paperback books. I adore seeing them out in the wild! Great photos.
Talk about encouragement, support, and great mentoring! Thanks, Nicolas.
NL. You are most welcome, Darci. I thank you as well for your priceless input, and for taking the lead on this fist part of our conversation. I can't wait to ask you more questions, though! We have still a lot of catching up to do.
Folks, this is it for Part One of our September 2024 two-way interview miniseries!
In Part two, you will be treated with insight on how we approach reader outreach, and with some deeper confessions. We will also touch on aspects of the writing craft, and on Darci's writing genres of choice.
Stay tuned!
What a blast catching up, Nicolas. It boggles the mind all the topics we've covered over the years in our writer's lives. I can't wait to see what we come up with next year! It was great chatting, my friend.